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Sunday, January 4th, 2015

Depression: It’s Not Your Serotonin

Posted by Kelly Brogan MD in Article

Serotonin-Myth

“Depression is a serious medical condition that may be due to a chemical imbalance, and Zoloft works to correct this imbalance.”

 

Herein lies the Serotonin Myth

 

 As one of only two countries in the world that permits direct to consumer advertising, you have undoubtedly been subjected to promotion of the “cause of depression”. A cause that is not your fault, but rather, a matter of too few little bubbles passing between the hubs in your brain! Don’t add that to your list of worries, though, because there is a convenient solution awaiting you at your doctor’s office…

 

What if I told you that, in 6 decades of research, the serotonin (or norepinephrine, or dopamine) theory of depression and anxiety has not achieved scientific credibility.

 

You’d want some supporting arguments for this shocking claim, so here you go:

 

The Science of Psychiatry is Myth

Rather than some embarrassingly reductionist, one-deficiency-one-illness-one-pill model of mental illness, contemporary exploration of human behavior has demonstrated that we may know less than we ever thought we did.  And that what we do know about root causes of mental illness seems to have more to do with the concept of evolutionary mismatch than with genes and chemical deficiencies.

 In fact, a meta-analysis of over 14,000 patients and Dr. Insel, head of the NIMH, had this to say:

“Despite high expectations, neither genomics nor imaging has yet impacted the diagnosis or treatment of the 45 million Americans with serious or moderate mental illness each year.”

To understand what imbalance is, we must know what balance looks like, and neuroscience, to date, has not characterized the optimal brain state, nor how to even assess for it. In a review of serotonin theories of depression, Andrews et al. turn the paradigm on its head and conclude:

we propose that depressed states are high serotonin phenomena, which challenges the prominent role the low serotonin hypothesis continues to have in depression research (Albert et al., 2012). We also propose that the direct serotonin-enhancing effects of antidepressants disturb energy homeostasis and worsen symptoms. We argue that symptom reduction, which only occurs over chronic treatment, is attributable to the compensatory responses of the brain attempting to restore energy homeostasis.

In this paper, they work to deconstruct our indoctrination around serotonin as a “happy chemical”, and elucidate its complex role in redirecting energy production when a creature is under duress. It is only when we perturb the system with medication that the body’s response can sometimes result in a chemically adaptive state, that is temporary, at best (accounting for relapse rates, while on medication, of up to 60%). Even this analysis is a theoretical offering in the service of challenging the dominant paradigm.

A New England Journal of Medicine review on Major Depression, stated:

” … numerous studies of norepinephrine and serotonin metabolites in plasma, urine, and cerebrospinal fluid as well as postmortem studies of the brains of patients with depression, have yet to identify the purported deficiency reliably.”

 The data has poked holes in the theory and even the field of psychiatry itself is putting down it’s sword. One of my favorite essays by Lacasse and Leo has compiled sentiments from influential thinkers in the field – mind you, these are conventional clinicians and researchers in mainstream practice – who have broken rank, casting doubt on the entirety of what psychiatry has to offer around antidepressants:

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Humble Origins of a Powerful Meme

In the 1950s, reserpine, initially introduced to the US market as an anti-seizure medication, was noted to deplete brain serotonin stores in subjects, with resultant lethargy and sedation. These observations colluded with the clinical note that an anti-tuberculosis medication, iproniazid, invoked mood changes after five months of treatment in 70% of a 17 patient cohort. Finally, Dr. Joseph Schildkraut threw fairy dust on these mumbles and grumbles in 1965 with his hypothetical manifesto entitled “The Catecholamine Hypothesis of Affective Disorders” stating:

“At best, drug-induced affective disturbances can only be considered models of the natural disorders, while it remains to be demonstrated that the behavioral changes produced by these drugs have any relation to naturally occurring biochemical abnormalities which might be associated with the illness.”

Contextualized by the ripeness of a field struggling to establish biomedical legitimacy (beyond the therapeutic lobotomy!), psychiatry was ready for a rebranding, and the pharmaceutical industry was all too happy to partner in the effort.

 Of course, the risk inherent in “working backwards” in this way (noting effects and presuming mechanisms) is that we tell ourselves that we have learned something about the body, when in fact, all we have learned is that patented synthesized chemicals have effects on our behavior. This is referred to as the drug-based model by Dr. Joanna Moncrieff. In this model, we acknowledge that antidepressants have effects, but that these effects, in no way are curative or reparative.

 The most applicable analogy is that of the woman with social phobia who finds that drinking two cocktails eases her symptoms. One could imagine, how, in a 6 week randomized trial, this “treatment” could be found efficacious and recommended for daily use and even prevention of symptoms. How her withdrawal symptoms after 10 years of daily compliance could lead those around her to believe that she “needed” the alcohol to correct an imbalance. This analogy is all too close to the truth.

 

Running With Broken Legs

Psychiatrist Dr. Daniel Carlat has said: “And where there is a scientific vacuum, drug companies are happy to insert a marketing message and call it science. As a result, psychiatry has become a proving ground for outrageous manipulations of science in the service of profit.”

 So, what happens when we let drug companies tell doctors what science is? We have an industry and a profession working together to maintain a house of cards theory in the face of contradictory evidence.

We have a global situation in which increases in prescribing are resulting in increases in severity of illness (including numbers and length of episodes) relative to those who have never been treated with medication.

 To truly appreciate the breadth of evidence that states antidepressants are ineffective and unsafe, we have to get behind the walls that the pharmaceutical companies erect. We have to unearth unpublished data, data that they were hoping to keep in the dusty catacombs.

A now famous 2008 study in the New England Journal of Medicine by Turner et al sought to expose the extent of this data manipulation. They demonstrated that, from 1987 to 2004, 12 antidepressants were approved based on 74 studies. Thirty-eight were positive, and 37 of these were published.  Thirty-six were negative (showing no benefit), and 3 of these were published as such while 11 were published with a positive spin (always read the data not the author’s conclusion!), and 22 were unpublished.

 In 1998 tour de force, Dr. Irving Kirsch, an expert on the placebo effect, published a metaanalysis of 3,000 patients who were treated with antidepressants, psychotherapy, placebo, or no treatment and found that only 27% of the therapeutic response was attributable to the drug’s action.

This was followed up by a 2008 review, which invoked the Freedom of Information Act to obtain access to unpublished studies, finding that, when these were included, antidepressants outperformed placebo in only 20 of 46 trials (less than half!), and that the overall difference between drugs and placebos was 1.7 points on the 52 point Hamilton Scale.  This small increment is clinically insignificant, and likely accounted for by medication side effects strategically employed (sedation or activation).

When active placebos were used, the Cochrane database found that differences between drugs and placebos disappeared, given credence to the assertion that inert placebos inflate perceived drug effects.

The finding of tremendous placebo effect in the treatment groups was also echoed in two different meta-analysis by Khan et al who found a 10% difference between placebo and antidepressant efficacy, and comparable suicide rates. The most recent trial examining the role of “expectancy” or belief in antidepressant effect, found that patients lost their perceived benefit if they believed that they might be getting a sugar pill even if they were continued on their formerly effective treatment dose of Prozac.

The largest, non-industry funded study, costing the public $35 million dollars, followed 4000 patients treated with Celexa (not blinded, so they knew what they were getting), and found that half of them improved at 8 weeks. Those that didn’t were switched to Wellbutrin, Effexor, or Zoloft OR “augmented” with Buspar or Wellbutrin.

Guess what? It didn’t matter what was done, because they remitted at the same unimpressive rate of 18-30% regardless with only 3% of patients were in remission at 12 months.

How could it be that medications like Wellbutrin, which purportedly primarily disrupt dopamine signaling, and medications like Stablon which theoretically enhances the reuptake of serotonin both work to resolve this underlying imbalance? Why would thyroid, benzodiazepines, beta blockers, and opiates also “work”? And what does depression have in common with panic disorder, phobias, OCD, eating disorders, and social anxiety that all of these diagnoses would warrant the same exact chemical fix?

 

Alternative options?

As a holistic clinician, one of my bigger pet peeves is the use of amino acids and other nutraceuticals with  “serotonin-boosting” claims. These integrative practitioners have taken a page from the allopathic playbook and are seeking to copy-cat what they perceive antidepressants to be doing.

The foundational “data” for the modern serotonin theory of mood utilizes tryptophan depletion methods which involve feeding volunteers amino acid mixtures without tryptophan and are rife with complicated interpretations.

Simply put, there has never been a study that demonstrates that this intervention causes mood changes in any patients who have not been treated with antidepressants.

In an important paper entitled Mechanism of acute tryptophan depletion:is it only serotonin?, van Donkelaar et al caution clinicians and researchers about the interpretation of tryptophan research. They clarify that there are many potential effects of this methodology, stating:

In general, several findings support the fact that depression may not be caused solely by an abnormality of 5-HT function, but more likely by a dysfunction of other systems or brain regions modulated by 5-HT or interacting with its dietary precursor. Similarly, the ATD method does not seem to challenge the 5-HT system per se, but rather triggers 5HT-mediated adverse events.

Andrews goes further to include this interpretation in a long list of arguments against the role of low serotonin in depression (Box 1).

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 So if we cannot confirm the role of serotonin in mood and we have good reason to believe that antidepressant effect is largely based on belief, then why are we trying to “boost serotonin”?

 

Causing imbalances

All you have to do is spend a few minutes on http://survivingantidepressants.org/ or http://beyondmeds.com/ to appreciate that we have created a monster. Millions of men, women, and children, the world over are suffering, without clinical guidance (because this is NOT a part of medical training) to discontinue psychiatric meds. I have been humbled, as a clinician who seeks to help these patients, by what these medications are capable of. Psychotropic withdrawal can make alcohol and heroin detox look like a breeze.

 An important analysis by the former director of the NIMH makes claims that antidepressants “create perturbations in neurotransmitter functions” causing the body to compensate through a series of adaptations which occur after “chronic administration” leading to brains that function, after a few weeks, in a way that is “qualitatively as well as quantitatively different from the normal state.”

Changes in beta-adrenergic receptor density, serotonin autoreceptor sensitivity, and serotonin turnover all struggle to compensate for the assault of the medication.

Andrews calls this “oppositional tolerance,” and demonstrate through a careful meta-analysis of 46 studies demonstrating that patient’s risk of relapse is directly proportionate to how “perturbing” the medication is, and is always higher than placebo (44.6% vs 24.7%). They challenge the notion that findings of decreased relapse on continued medication represent anything other than drug-induced response to discontinuation of a substance to which the body has developed tolerance. They go a step further to add:

“For instance, in naturalistic studies, unmedicated patients have much shorter episodes, and better long-term prospects, than medicated patients. Several of these studies have found that the average duration of an untreated episode of major depression is 12–13 weeks.”

Harvard researchers also concluded that at least fifty percent of drug-withdrawn patients relapsed within 14 months. In fact:

“Long-term antidepressant use may be depressogenic . . . it is possible that antidepressant agents modify the hardwiring of neuronal synapses (which) not only render antidepressants ineffective but also induce a resident, refractory depressive state.”

 So, when your doctor says, “You see, look how sick you are, you shouldn’t have stopped that medication,” you should know that the data suggests that your symptoms are withdrawal, not relapse.

Longitudinal studies demonstrate poor functional outcomes for those treated with 60% of patients still meeting diagnostic criteria at one year (despite transient improvement within the first 3 months). When baseline severity is controlled for, two prospective studies support a worse outcome in those prescribed medication:

One in which the never-medicated group experienced a 62% improvement by six months, whereas the drug-treated patients experienced only a 33% reduction in symptoms, and another WHO study of depressed patients in 15 cities which found that, at the end of one year, those who weren’t exposed to psychotropic medications enjoyed much better “general health;” that their depressive symptoms were much milder;” and that they were less likely to still be “mentally ill.”

I’m not done yet.

In a retrospective 10-year study in the Netherlands, 76% of those with unmedicated depression recovered without relapse relative to 50% of those treated.

Unlike the mess of contradictory studies around short-term effects, there are no comparable studies that show a better outcome in those prescribed antidepressants long term.

 

First Do No Harm

So, we have a half-baked theory in a vacuum of science that that pharmaceutical industry raced to fill. We have the illusion of short-term efficacy and assumptions about long-term safety. But are these medications actually killing people?

The answer is yes.

Unequivocally, antidepressants cause suicidal and homicidal behavior. The Russian Roulette of patients vulnerable to these “side effects” is only beginning to be elucidated and may have something to do with genetic variants around metabolism of these chemicals.  Dr. David Healy has worked tirelessly to expose the data that implicates antidepressants in suicidality and violence, maintaining a database for reporting, writing, and lecturing about cases of medication-induced death that could make your soul wince.

What about our most vulnerable?

I have countless patients in my practice who report new onset of suicidal ideation within weeks of starting an antidepressant. In a population where there are only 2 randomized trials, I have grave concerns about postpartum women who are treated with antidepressants before more benign and effective interventions such as dietary modification and thyroid treatment. Hold your heart as you read through these reports of women who took their own and their children’s’ lives while treated with medications.

Then there is the use of these medications in children as young as 2 years old. How did we ever get the idea that this was a safe and effective treatment for this demographic? Look no further than data like Study 329, which cost Glaxo Smith Klein 3 billion dollars for their efforts to promote antidepressants to children. These efforts required ghost-written and manipulated data that suppressed a signal of suicidality, falsely represented Paxil as outperforming placebo, and contributes to an irrepressible mountain of harm done to our children by the field of psychiatry.

 

RIP Monoamine Theory

As Moncrieff and Cohen so succinctly state:

“Our analysis indicates that there are no specific antidepressant drugs, that most of the short-term effects of antidepressants are shared by many other drugs, and that long-term drug treatment with antidepressants or any other drugs has not been shown to lead to long-term elevation of mood. We suggest that the term “antidepressant” should be abandoned.”

So, where do we turn?

The field of psychoneuroimmunology dominates the research as an iconic example of how medicine must surpass its own simplistic boundaries if we are going to begin to chip away at the some 50% of Americans who will struggle with mood symptoms, and 11% of whom will be medicated for it.

 

There are times in our evolution as a cultural species that we need to unlearn what we think we know. We have to move out of the comfort of certainty and into the freeing light of uncertainty. It is from this space of acknowledged unknowing that we can truly grow. From my vantage point, this growth will encompass a sense of wonder – both a curiosity about what symptoms of mental illness may be telling us about our physiology and spirit, as well as a sense of humbled awe at all that we do not yet have the tools to appreciate. For this reason, honoring our co-evolution with the natural world, and sending the body a signal of safety through movement, diet, meditation, and environmental detoxification represents our most primal and most powerful tool for healing.

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  1. January 4, 2015 at 3:52 pm
    Helene says

    Dear Dr. Brogan, I’d be very interested to know what you think about the Pfeiffer/Walsh view that
    depression covers five primary phenotypes (High Histamine/Under-Methylated, Low
    Histamine/Over-Methylated, Pyroluria, High Copper, and Toxic Overload), where only the first phenotype seems to require serotonin.

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  2. January 4, 2015 at 5:56 pm
    Kelly Brogan MD says

    I believe there is a lot of merit to this approach, and they have a database to support their efforts. I support any practitioner engaging in low risk, high yield natural medicine. I just happen to disagree on the point of having reduced the functionality of human behavior to 5 neurochemicals (dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, gaba, acetylcholine).

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  3. January 4, 2015 at 8:12 pm
    Andrea southernAnd says

    The article you wrote saying that depression is not a matter of serotonin/dopamine deficiencies was very interesting, but I was disappointed that you didn’t then suggest what the true causes of depression are, and the treatment options.

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  4. January 4, 2015 at 8:21 pm
    Kelly Brogan MD says

    Hello! Please take some time to review the rest of my website and to follow the links in the article.

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  5. January 5, 2015 at 11:12 pm
    LyndaShumway says

    Thank you so much for this article. Very convincing and well written! I have a brother who desperately sought help through psychiatric drugs for 15 years. It literally ruined his life. He lost his family, his wealth, and his health as he became more and more mentally depressed. It wasn’t until he broke away, found natural answers, took this life into his own hands, and with an extremely strict diet and supplement regime was able to overcome his illness while slowly, methodically and painfully withdrawing from this drugs. What frightens me is the general ignorance of the population and their trust in these psychiatric drugs.

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  6. January 6, 2015 at 10:16 pm
    Roslyn Hansen says

    Dear Dr Brogan,

    I just clicked on your link of Depression/ its not your Seratonnin.

    I have not totally taken in all that you have written and quoted, but you have my total interest here.
    In 2010 I had a nervous collapse for the first time in my life…it is in the family genes but I thought I was the lucky one to miss out, as I was always able to pick myself up out of a depressed mode after 2 days and focus on a new interest…I had done this over and over for 27 yrs when i collasped and could not muster it from anywhere..I had come from a lifestyle that others felt was way too hard on me, but i was resonablly happy, except that I could not gain my health the way I wanted it, with hashimotis thryoiditis ( treated with compounded T3 90mcg) and homonal infertility etc, migraines that were uncontrollabe at times, and then I ruptrued a disc in my low back at age 30 and from then on have suffered issues with a degenerative spine, so I am now in the vouge of where i tried desperately not to be…takeing DRUGS !!! I am on pristique 150 mg /day, valpro 400 at night, endep 50 , coversyl plus 5mg, lyrica 300 x 2 and osteo panadol 600 x 3/day so when you look at that cocktail and know how i hate drugs, you can imagine how I am so interested to contact you now and see what you think..and if you think I can get off any of these drugs…if you need any more information please do not hesitate to contact me… Regards Roslyn

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  7. January 7, 2015 at 6:06 pm
    Verónica says

    I see that my intuition is stronger than what I was told psychiatrists, especially for the disappointment I had with them, not lend attention with PMDD. I refused to take antidepressants, do not misunderstand me, I’m a doctor, I gave my own diagnosis of PMDD, I had to accept escitalopram, but after meeting followed two months, I began to be irregular, because I want to improve the most is meditating, reading all you can help me, more understanding the brain, so I like to read Facundo Manes, have faith in God through my Catholic religion, I believe in the power of prayer, all that, but drug cost me accept it, and seeing that it could be a treatment for PMDD, I changed a bit my thinking, but my fear was still to an side effect. See this article. Excuse my translation, I’m Latina

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  8. January 8, 2015 at 10:20 pm
    sue says

    Can someone who has been on various antidepressants for over 30 years stop taking them? Someone in very poor health? My sister is still depressed, she isn’t as bad as she has ever been, but it’s not far from it and it isn’t getting any better.

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  9. January 9, 2015 at 12:50 pm
    elizabeth says

    I’ve suffered a severe anxiety disorder since I was a small child (I’m 26 now). I’ve done some great work with therapy including EMDR, somatic experiencing and others. I’ve had some really awesome holistic therapists, a wonderful naturopath and I’ve been meditating daily in the theravada tradition for 8 years. I eat organically, juice daily and get plenty of exercise, but I experienced my first ever anxiety free day and panic attack free month only after taking sertraline for the first time this september. I don’t know why it works, but it does. My mother has had severe anxiety most of her life and started taking sertraline this summer, as did a female cousin of mine. The three of us have experienced a big boost in self esteem (we each previously experienced mild to severe body dysmorphia) and a huge difference in agoraphobia, OCD, and general anxiety.

    This is not to say that holistic approaches did not help me, I think 9 times out of 10 a change in routine, diet, nutrition or therapy can solve the problem. I’m glad I tried all of those things for as long as I did, but I’m glad I’ve found something that gives me the boost I needed. I feel like a whole person again.

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  10. January 10, 2015 at 9:14 pm
    Kim says

    Dear Dr. Brogan,

    After years of learning problems (esp.working memory deficits) and therapy for anxiety and depression, recent genetic testing revealed my 16 year son “exhibits a variant in the gene coding for a subunit of one type of calcium channel CACNA1C (L-type voltage gated).” He has been been placed on sertraline and aripiprazole. I am very concerned about the long term effects of these medications.

    He has never demonstrated gluten sensitivity but definitely craves carbs and is actually underweight.

    I’m wondering what this genetic testing means in practical terms. His symptoms, in my opinion, are not severe enough to warrant medication, but I have been warned that as he enters adult hood, he has the genetic markers to develop schizophrenic or become bipolar.

    What are your thoughts on these genetic markers?

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  11. January 24, 2015 at 1:40 am
    Janet says

    Do you have a position on Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation?

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  12. February 2, 2015 at 2:13 pm
    michelle says

    I agree with Elizabeth. After decades on/off zoloft for the same challenges I Finally needed to realize present quality of life is more valuable than longevity. With the body dysmorphia, it can become life debilitating, in bathroom staring and trying to get it right for hours on end till finally crash in bed and say maybe tomorrow I can do it. No life for anyone. With somatic experiencing therapy or the like, however, I believe we can taper off gradually after some time.

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  13. February 2, 2015 at 4:10 pm
    Jo says

    Thank you for writing this Dr. Brogan. It is fascinating, and even though I have never taken any anti-depressants, I know many who have. Only yesterday, while looking up information on the gut-brain axis, I happened to find the site of what appears to be a very good organization dedicated to withdrawal from such medications. This could be helpful to some: http://www.pointofreturn.com/
    I am not affiliated in any way, but it looks excellent. I hope it is okay to share this link.

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  14. February 2, 2015 at 6:33 pm
    Vanessa says

    This article hits the nail on the head. All an SSRI did for me was make me gain weight and cause digestive upset. Wellbutrin did not help and was hard to go off. I tried three times, and after a 20 pound weight gain each time, went back on it to stop gaining weight. The third time I stayed off it and the weight gain stopped after 20 pounds. I reached a healthy weight soon after. My chemicals of choice are DHA-EPA ratio omega-3s, Vitamin D3, resistance exercise and a paleo diet, all of which have helped tremedously. Besides the foundational fats -like DHA and Vit D3- and basic nutrients, I feel like my brain wants homeostasis more than it wants certain chemical amounts.

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  15. February 2, 2015 at 9:22 pm
    Breann says

    Thank you for this article! We recently did genetic testing. My 6-year-old son is MAO +/+ and generally frustrated and unhappy. Otherwise healthy, though.

    So the answer is figuring out the right “movement, diet, meditation, and environmental detoxification” for him and not focusing on the whole serotonin thing?

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  16. February 2, 2015 at 9:36 pm
    Susan says

    Hi Dr Brogan,

    Can you suggest where exactly on your site to read up on alternative treatments for anxiety and depression.

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  17. February 3, 2015 at 7:36 am
    Cheryl Jacobson says

    Apparently a gluten sensitivity can cause depression, also i have heard that all auto immune disease is caused by a gluten sensitivity. My daughters depression was caused by pyroluria, unfortunately only just found this out, she has been on anti depressants for 7 years now, so i don’t think she will be be to get off them because her brain has been altered/damaged by them. she now has chronic fatigue & i just read that CFS sufferers have low zinc & B6, pyroluria causes a deficiency of these nutrients.

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  18. February 3, 2015 at 10:52 am
    nancy says

    To Janet above comment re: trans cranial magnetic stimulation. IN our clinic we have offered TMS. But dropped it when the costs to patients was too prohibitive. It is very effective but can be incredibly expensive, hard to find providers – needs daily treatment for 30+ days typically to see results and hard for insurance carriers to pay for. A more affordable alternative and equally rewarding (IMHO) is cranial electric stimulation… you can even have “home units” – with a physician script. easy and affordable and many insurance companies will reimburse you for the cost. Over 40 years of great research supporting the effectiveness of CES for depression, anxiety, insomnia and pain.

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  19. February 4, 2015 at 4:58 pm
    Jennifer says

    I just started a low-carb gluten-free diet 3 months ago and am about to go full on Paleo…it has changed my world. I just got off Zoloft which was prescribed to me for anxiety/depression/PTSD….the withdrawals were awful and I think I am still going through them..it has been 11 days. But I notice things getting better here and there. I am hoping and praying that I will be able to recover to my happy healthy self. I don’t care how long it takes. I’m 30 and one day I would like to have children with my husband and I want to be healthy and for my children never to have to go through this.

    I am considering going to a Naturopathic doctor (because I feel like my PCP and my ‘psychiatrist’ didn’t really address the problem). What do you recommend that I do next? What should I look for in a health care provider?

    God bless you for the work that you do and for this article!
    – Jennifer

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  20. February 4, 2015 at 6:23 pm
    Jennifer says

    Also I was on Lexapro for 3 months, tapered, “relapsed” ….then Wellbutrin for 1 month….then Zoloft for 3 months. I was depressed following a prolonged period of stress for about 4 months before beginning all this treatment. It is my personal mission to be off of all of this stuff once and for all and to live a healthier life going forward. Can things improve for me? Any advice will be much appreciated…Thank you sooo much for these articles.

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  21. February 24, 2015 at 6:46 pm
    Jenn says

    Kelly,

    You are an incredible influence to me as a practicing Nutritionist. I have incredible faith in nurturing the body with diet, and lifestyle change. I too have seen remarkable shifts in clients with mental illness after only a few weeks of dietary change alone.

    Thank-you for all the inspiration. I will continue to follow your work and keep up to date with your fascinating research.

    Yours truly,

    Jenn Keirstead, RHN

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  22. April 7, 2015 at 11:57 am
    Matina says

    I find all of these comments very interesting and validating that we are all different chemically; thusI feel treatment will very for each of us. I spent a lifetime of childhood and adulthood living in depression and anxiety but thought it was normal. Then after going through a horrendous panic attack for two days I resorted to a plan of Paxil anti-depressant use. For the first it time in my life I was more outgoing, able to get a job and hold onto it, travel alone and be around unfamiliar people. All of which I struggled with, without being numbed of the initial reason fro my panic attack on that day. I still felt my emotions but the negative energies were more balanced. BUT I gained weight and decided to wean myself off of it. three times I attempted this throughout several years each time I went into severe withdrawals. After being hospitalized for nine days I was put on Lexapro with an anti anxiety agent. I never regained the healthy lifestyle again as when I was on the paxil. In the past six years I have been to natural paths, specialists, pcp’s you name it and have tried umteen supplements with no avail. One of my natural paths had to drop me as her patient due my issues being too complicated without medicines, as it was determined that I has inherited a genetic mutation that she herself said would benefit more by augmenting an antidepressant along with some of the supplements she recommended but the trial and error due to my sensitivities was more than she was trained to deal with. These days I am seeing another natural path, counselor, med perscriber, and research on my own. I am not all about getting off of my medicine anymore-but about finding a combination of nutrients, diet, and medicine that will bring my some quality of life. I will note that so I have found that B12 Methocabolamin along with my antidepressant does help with energy and a little more improvedmood; and sertraline is better for my anxiety and panic issues than lexapro and clonazapram, So I am still a work in progress trying to get off of the clonazapram and onto the sertraline again. I do not give up hope though because I have seen those in my family that resort to other self medications for their denied issues. PS gotten off of both these last antidepressants and tried the gluten free, dairy free, exercise and different nutrients and still no help for the gutt wrenching anxiety and hopeless feelings. I will stick to my medicine thank you.

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  23. May 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm
    Mark says

    We have been using Sanesco International for years to test our patients neurotransmitter levels and almost every depressed patient has had very erratic neurotransmitter levels and/or low vitamin D levels. I know a lot of people state that saliva & urine testing is not an accurate way to test neurotransmitters but the proof is in the results. It is like looking in the trash can to see what is in the refrigerator. The results are not as accurate as a spinal tap but that is not feasible. And once we adjust their neurotransmitters to a balanced state using certain precursors we see immediate results. People feel like themselves again for the first time in years. There is also lifestyle changes, diet suggestions and making sure they have a good level of Vitamin D. But I would say that having balanced neurotransmitter levels was the missing link and has improved the quality of life for almost every patient. Mood problems can also stem from other issues such as gluten sensitivities or methylation problems but neurotransmitter imbalances seem to be the common denominator when dealing with depression.

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